Nothing with this. Of course Hitler worked on a far larger scale, but Tiller cared as little for the lives of the children he murdered as Hitler cared of the people her murdered. That’s all I get out of this comparison.

“Tiller lived by the sword and reaped his predictable end”

Sad but true. Nothing wrong in saying it.

“‘Tolerance’ of Hitler’s rise to power and what he did led to millions of jews being slaughtered. ‘Intolerance’ of that slaughter led to the stopping of it.”

This is true. Hitler’s intolerance of Jews led him to start slaughtering Jews. Tolerance of the slaughter led to nobody doing anything to help, or even being so tolerant that they took an active part in the slaughter. Intolerance of the slaughter led to stopping it, as well as tolerance of Jews and other mistreated individuals. Tolerance is not always good.

“Matthew – keep the title. It fits.”

It does. Tiller was a killer who was killed. The title is simply stating a fact.

“So far, I’ve resisted doing a cartoon on it.”

It’s bad that this is even a temptation since this isn’t at all funny and is really quite tragic, but at least the poster has resisted the temptation.

“He reaped what he sowed!”

Well, he did. Not that any Christian should EVER advocate the murder of another. But at the same time, he was a killer who got killed. Assuming he didn’t repent (none of us can truly know, right?) he did indeed reap what he sowed. That doesn’t mean I’m saying that the murderer did the right thing. He didn’t But it’s not like his actions didn’t warrant this.

I think the man who assasinated him should be a hero”

This is bad. The assasin is a killer, not a hero.

“The most ironic aspect to this story is the fact that his wife screamed when she saw him in the back of the church after he’d been shot.”

This is not ironic. Whatever his faults it’s no stretch to think he loved his wife and kids and that they would be shocked and horrified that he died. Bad comment.

Hitler, himself, was cold and calculating. He saw an opportunity to grab for power and he took it. He played on the warped views expounded by Martin Luther, himself (see: “The Jews and Their Lies”, Dr. Martin Luther) and deeply ingrained in the German people at the time. But THAT so-called “intolerance” had been there a long time. The catalyst that allowed Hitler’s rise to such complete authoritative power was the extreme poverty incurred by the German people following WWI. They were beat down and desperate enough to take any exit offered to them.

This allowed them to be tolerant of the fact that their friends and neighbors were being dragged off and killed. The old intolerance helped them look the other way, but the new Social Tolerance helped them push the buttons on the gas chambers.
Poverty and our own human weakness were the cause of THIS massacre.
(BTW – I’m no historian, either – but I can spot false logic a mile away).

Please.
Your quote is trite and ridiculous. Even if you believe a human life is worthless until it can fend for itself, many late-term babies are perfectly capable of living, unassisted (aside from normal baby needs), outside the womb.
Tiller killed. Over and over and over.
Hitler ordered the deaths of millions in his warped way of preserving his own personal delusion but he didn’t do the actual killing that I know of, so yes the comparison is a terrible one.
No, Tiller didn’t order deaths and expect others to carry them out. Tiller reached into the warm seedbed of life where a dear little one was in her most vulnerable and beautifully innocent repose, and completely unanestesized, tortured her to death. He did this time after time after time.
If the mother’s life is/were in danger, doesn’t it make moral sense to, at least, try to save the baby? I mean if it must be removed, why must it be killed?
Yes. Tiller was a killer. Sorry.
Yes. Tiller’s killer is also a killer.

Here’s a better quote for you:
Intolerance of Injustice breeds Justice.

Some clarifications – we are both Christian (for 5 years now) and very pro-life. We both condone his murder, period. My wife went through a late-term abortion during her 1st marriage 9 years ago. The baby had an acute dwarfism that kept his ribcage tiny, so the heart developed fully and left no room for lungs. My wife and her husband were convinced the baby would either die in utero or be born and suffocate (convinced by a local Dr, not Tiller). They felt they were conducting an act of mercy, and so did Dr. Tiller.

Here’s what I have learned:
(1) Dr. Tiller and his staff were more caring and loving than any of us may ever want to believe. They walked my wife and her husband thru the process for a week before it was done, and they held their hands the whole way. I recently saw the memorabilia my wife still has from that day.
(2) As we looked through the memorabilia, my wife sobbed openly and I joined her. Even 9 years later she was asking for forgiveness from the Lord and her son, Gavin. Before she was a Christian, she still was haunted by the guilt of killing her child, even though she felt it was the merciful thing to do. Perhaps “Post-Abortion Trauma Syndrome” is rare, perhaps it’s pervasive. The pro-abortion groups want you to think it’s fictitious – don’t ever believe them.
(3) As we battle to end the work of abortion, we have to be acutely aware that we are facing humans, not monsters, in the fight. Cain was human, Ahab and Jezebel were human, Judas was human. We all are, and we lose perspective if we forget that. All I’m saying here is that your weapons will be oversized and your aim and tactics will be adversely effected if you mistake who you’re fighting against.
(4) There are ways to help that are grossly underutilized. Spread this far and wide:

http://www.perinatalhospice.org/

Perinatal Hospice is the option my wife was never offered. Why kill you baby if it’s going to die naturally anyway? PH will give you all the love and care and medical assistance parents of “terminal pregnancies” will need to go through the pregnancy without the guilt of ending your own child’s life. So long as abortion has to be an option, be sure everyone knows there are better options.

With love in Christ,
Chris

The below link is an example of your philisophy on ending suffering that in use today, not on the unborn, but on infants.

http://www.ncbcenter.org/details_news.asp?idOfEvent=404

“Once the prohibition against the direct taking of innocent human is breached there can be no reasoned defense against the taking of any life by those who have the power over it.”

May God forgive us our sins.

Nobody said it was going to be easy to be faithful disciples of Jesus Christ.

I understand that you are trying to rationalize and make a good moral and respectful argument for your personal beliefs by certain subjective arguments, but the issue is can you and do you feel that your own authority trumps that of the Church?

Our Catholic faith would be easy to follow if we got to decide and make the call, but that is not the case of our Catholic faith. It is difficult to follow and difficult to be obedient.

Some people are probably thinking that I am asking Phil to go against his conscious and not be a *free thinker. If you are thinking that, you are missing the point.

I think that many of us are guilty of some dissent against Church teaching at times in our lives when we fail to support the values of the Church in their entirety. However when people no longer accept the Church as the Bride of Christ, when people have serious doubts about the ability of the Church to remain faithful to the teaching of Jesus and to her traditions, then they cannot be fully convinced Catholics.

Phil we love you as a brother in Christ, and I would hope that if I ever struggle with Church teaching on a particular issue that somebody would help me try and understand the beauty of the teaching.

In Christ

I actually take it to heart anytime I find myself in a position of struggling with Church teaching and struggling with it. Perhaps I am a Vatican Robot, ha ha! I want to let you know because I care Phil that we as Catholics need to have Fidelity to Christ’s bride “the Church”.

You and I both need to form our conscious according to the teachings of Christ rather than our personal beliefs. The Church is pretty clear on abortion, suffering, and end of life issues and gives a beautiful reason for each.

As Catholics we have an obligation to accept these teachings to remain in union with Christ and His Church. As Catholics we should understand that doctrine is not up for grabs.

I will admit 8 years ago while in college I found myself thinking i was much more intelligent than the Church in regards to a particular issue and a good friend told me that if you disagree with this, how many more things are you going to disagree with? Made me think… am I really Catholic? I however ignored this person and continued with my *own personal* beliefs through college. It was not until after college that I got my hands dirty by reading more on our faith.

I found my conscious to be improperly informed by lack of information and some by deliberate choice to disregard certain doctrines because were difficult to accept and follow.