Comments on: Octuple the Controversy http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/ A Catholic Social Commentary Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:08:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jean http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1662 Jean Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:17:42 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1662 I personally have nothing against any person, single or married who makes a choice to have multiple children, whether triples or sextuples or Octuples so long as they are in a financial position to take on that burden themselves and are emotionally capable of handling that many children alone. When you have any person doing sometime as irresponsible as this woman, people need to stop preaching and putting God in the mix and look at the bigger picture. Six was more than enough children. Her act was of pure selfishness, and it looks like to me a way for her to make this her big "Pay Day". She is not working, lives with her parents and was collecting workers comp. (which sounds like a whole other scam, if you are so injuried how do you plan a pregancy, and eight at that). If destroying the embroyos is such a religious issue, there is always the option of donoting them to a couple who had no chance of reproduction. The children shouldn't suffer, but they should be placed in homes that can provide for them. Why should society pay for her "planned irresponsible act". It angers me that I can't get assistance for my child's college tuition, and there are many more like me, because I make just a little too much money by our governments standards, yet my tax paying dollars are suppose to go towards supporting this womans childrens. When is enough and enough. This is abuse on both sides, the Doctor and this woman. I personally have nothing against any person, single or married who makes a choice to have multiple children, whether triples or sextuples or Octuples so long as they are in a financial position to take on that burden themselves and are emotionally capable of handling that many children alone. When you have any person doing sometime as irresponsible as this woman, people need to stop preaching and putting God in the mix and look at the bigger picture. Six was more than enough children. Her act was of pure selfishness, and it looks like to me a way for her to make this her big “Pay Day”. She is not working, lives with her parents and was collecting workers comp. (which sounds like a whole other scam, if you are so injuried how do you plan a pregancy, and eight at that). If destroying the embroyos is such a religious issue, there is always the option of donoting them to a couple who had no chance of reproduction. The children shouldn’t suffer, but they should be placed in homes that can provide for them. Why should society pay for her “planned irresponsible act”. It angers me that I can’t get assistance for my child’s college tuition, and there are many more like me, because I make just a little too much money by our governments standards, yet my tax paying dollars are suppose to go towards supporting this womans childrens. When is enough and enough. This is abuse on both sides, the Doctor and this woman.

]]> By: Sac http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1617 Sac Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:50:28 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1617 meant... should STOP blaming...... meant… should STOP blaming……

]]> By: Sac http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1616 Sac Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:48:22 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1616 What is the issue? 1. Lets imagine it was found that she was mistreating her first 6 kids..... no, is not happening. 2. Is she really crazy because she love kids? I don't think so. 3. Will she be crazy if she does not loves kids? then yes... 4. Why a father?? imagine this... the kids have a father, he is a drug dealer, or he went to war and got kill, he is not working because there is no jobs, would that make a difference? I don't think so. So why does the kids needs a father? How many kids are out there with no father and become great persons and how many have a father and are the worst things on earth. 5. Who is going to feed, dress, etc? we are? so what? once in a while we need to be good persons and give donations, stop using drugs or smoking or drinking expensive wine or going to eat on expensive restaurant. We are feeding a lot of them in Irak, why not here? Everyone should start blaming doctors, the mother or who ever, the kids are here. so what? lets help instead of criticize Where can support be sent???? What is the issue?
1. Lets imagine it was found that she was mistreating her first 6 kids….. no, is not happening.
2. Is she really crazy because she love kids? I don’t think so.
3. Will she be crazy if she does not loves kids? then yes…
4. Why a father?? imagine this… the kids have a father, he is a drug dealer, or he went to war and got kill, he is not working because there is no jobs, would that make a difference? I don’t think so. So why does the kids needs a father? How many kids are out there with no father and become great persons and how many have a father and are the worst things on earth.
5. Who is going to feed, dress, etc? we are? so what? once in a while we need to be good persons and give donations, stop using drugs or smoking or drinking expensive wine or going to eat on expensive restaurant. We are feeding a lot of them in Irak, why not here?

Everyone should start blaming doctors, the mother or who ever, the kids are here. so what? lets help instead of criticize

Where can support be sent????

]]> By: Jill http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1545 Jill Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:19:16 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1545 Mjay, Yes!! I DO know the pain of infertility. It is a difficult cross to bear, indeed! I am blessed that God lifted the cross from my shoulders through the help of Catholic NFP doctors like Dr. Pilkington and McDonald in North Texas. I have read testimony from other Catholic women who carry the same cross, like Claire who frequently comments on CatholicExchange.com. The fact is that In Vitro is wrong and puts babies at risk of death or being frozen in time. It removes the marital act from procreation. And it does not allow God's will over our own wants. The 14 babies are here now and they need to be loved and cared for. Do not confuse the conception of a child, any child with the sin of how they were conceived---whether it be Invitro, or out of wedlock relations, or rape. All of which have affected me on a very personal level. Children--ALL CHILDREN--are blessings from God. I pray for peace to fill your hearts and the hearts of all the women who wish to feel life within their wombs. Sts. Sarah and Elizabeth, pray for us. Mjay,
Yes!! I DO know the pain of infertility. It is a difficult cross to bear, indeed! I am blessed that God lifted the cross from my shoulders through the help of Catholic NFP doctors like Dr. Pilkington and McDonald in North Texas. I have read testimony from other Catholic women who carry the same cross, like Claire who frequently comments on CatholicExchange.com. The fact is that In Vitro is wrong and puts babies at risk of death or being frozen in time. It removes the marital act from procreation. And it does not allow God’s will over our own wants. The 14 babies are here now and they need to be loved and cared for. Do not confuse the conception of a child, any child with the sin of how they were conceived—whether it be Invitro, or out of wedlock relations, or rape. All of which have affected me on a very personal level. Children–ALL CHILDREN–are blessings from God.
I pray for peace to fill your hearts and the hearts of all the women who wish to feel life within their wombs. Sts. Sarah and Elizabeth, pray for us.

]]> By: Mjay http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1541 Mjay Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:49:11 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1541 It is very easy for people without fertility problem to sit back and say "am so against invitro". Because Nadya made a huge mistake to have more babies, everyone suddenly think Invitro is bad. A reminder to all, do you know how it feels to be told you can't have a baby on your own? Does anyone know any infertile couple? I guess not because everyone speaking against invitro do not recognize it's a treatment not a luxury. The only problem is only the rich can afford this treatment, and sometimes people might abuse it, but that doesn't make it bad. As for Nadya, I wish her and her 14 children well. It is very easy for people without fertility problem to sit back and say “am so against invitro”. Because Nadya made a huge mistake to have more babies, everyone suddenly think Invitro is bad. A reminder to all, do you know how it feels to be told you can’t have a baby on your own? Does anyone know any infertile couple? I guess not because everyone speaking against invitro do not recognize it’s a treatment not a luxury. The only problem is only the rich can afford this treatment, and sometimes people might abuse it, but that doesn’t make it bad. As for Nadya, I wish her and her 14 children well.

]]> By: Lori http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1341 Lori Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:28:36 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1341 Another fabulously written blog, Matthew. If you haven't already, you may want to check out Dignitatis Personae from Dec 12. Another fabulously written blog, Matthew. If you haven’t already, you may want to check out Dignitatis Personae from Dec 12.

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]]> By: Matthew Warner http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1068 Matthew Warner Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:40:29 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1068 That's such a beautiful story, Jill. Thanks for sharing! That’s such a beautiful story, Jill. Thanks for sharing!

]]> By: Jill http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1067 Jill Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:12:51 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1067 Thanks, Bill, for the link. http//:www.cuf.org is also an excellent source for questions/answers regarding the Catholic Faith. cuf stands for Catholics United for the Faith and is true to the magisterium of the Church. Lindsay, also consider that children are not "rights" they are "blessings" I suffered with 5 years of secondary infertility (I had 2 live births and 2 miscarriages prior) and know the heartache that comes with the territory. We must always surrender to God's will if we are to truly find joy and peace in our lives. In my own personal journey, my husband and I surrendered to the Church's teachings and it led us to Creighton University and the wonderful work Dr. Hilgers and his staff are doing to help women with all health issues unique to women (post partum depression, PMS, menopaus, ovarian cystic disorders, etc.) as well as fertility/infertility issues. Now we are blessed with seven children and I cannot even tell you how the process has enriched our marriage, family life, faith and my own health. May God continue to guide us in search of the Truth! Thanks, Bill, for the link. http//:www.cuf.org is also an excellent source for questions/answers regarding the Catholic Faith. cuf stands for Catholics United for the Faith and is true to the magisterium of the Church.

Lindsay, also consider that children are not “rights” they are “blessings” I suffered with 5 years of secondary infertility (I had 2 live births and 2 miscarriages prior) and know the heartache that comes with the territory. We must always surrender to God’s will if we are to truly find joy and peace in our lives. In my own personal journey, my husband and I surrendered to the Church’s teachings and it led us to Creighton University and the wonderful work Dr. Hilgers and his staff are doing to help women with all health issues unique to women (post partum depression, PMS, menopaus, ovarian cystic disorders, etc.) as well as fertility/infertility issues. Now we are blessed with seven children and I cannot even tell you how the process has enriched our marriage, family life, faith and my own health. May God continue to guide us in search of the Truth!

]]> By: Bill http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1063 Bill Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:35:58 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1063 Sorry, forgot to insert the link to the article. http://www.catholicinsight.com/online/church/vatican/article_475.shtml Sorry, forgot to insert the link to the article.

http://www.catholicinsight.com/online/church/vatican/article_475.shtml

]]> By: Bill http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/octuple-the-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1062 Bill Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:33:40 +0000 http://www.fallibleblogma.com/?p=622#comment-1062 Lindsay, the woman did have a husband. He divorced her last year (haven't heard why, but I could guess ...). SFAIK, the two of them would have been more than capable of having children of their own. There was no fertility problem that I've heard about. And even if there was, it's still wrong to go through in vitro. Here's an article that explains clearly what the teaching of the Catholic church is regarding in vitro fertilization. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but Catholics are bound to follow the teaching of the church. In addition, of course, every MD that has been interviewed on television has said that multiple embryos, delivered to term, increases the chances that those babies will have problems. That's why they want to reduce the number of babies in the womb by aborting individual babies selectively. The whole procedure is filled with ethical and moral problems. Lindsay, the woman did have a husband. He divorced her last year (haven’t heard why, but I could guess …). SFAIK, the two of them would have been more than capable of having children of their own. There was no fertility problem that I’ve heard about. And even if there was, it’s still wrong to go through in vitro.

Here’s an article that explains clearly what the teaching of the Catholic church is regarding in vitro fertilization. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but Catholics are bound to follow the teaching of the church.

In addition, of course, every MD that has been interviewed on television has said that multiple embryos, delivered to term, increases the chances that those babies will have problems. That’s why they want to reduce the number of babies in the womb by aborting individual babies selectively. The whole procedure is filled with ethical and moral problems.

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