Comments on: Does the Catholic Church contain the fullness of Truth?

By: Kevin N.

Kevin N. — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:28:57 +0000

Lynda, Thank you for your comments. May God continue blessing you.
I’m surrounded by good and gracious people of the Catholic faith. Family and friends that have been around me my whole life. They love me as I love them so much because I love Christ. Amen to what you said.

Kevin

By: Lynda Olsen

Lynda Olsen — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:02:36 +0000

Kevin,
If you believe in and profess the Truth of The Holy Trinity, then you are subscribing to the Tradition of the Catholic Church. This is but one example in which you borrow from the rich Tradition of the Catholic Faith that was and continues to be instituted by Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of The Holy Trinity (the understanding we pass along today in most Christian denominations) is a development of the Tradition of the Catholic Faith. As Matthew says, the early Church had no Bible in circulation – the passing on of the deposit of our faith was done orally in large part until Wycliffe’s hand-written manuscript in the 14th century and then the invention and proliferation of the Western European printing press in the 15th century. So, we are looking at a development of the Bible or Canon as we have it today of some 1400 years with many Church councils in-between. To understand this development, look to these Councils: Council of Nicaea (325), Ephesus (431), Trent (1545-1563), and many others… just from these, though, you can see important developments of Christian understanding that we all carry with us and intend to pass along to those who will live after us for the sake of God’s Kingdom. I also suspect you’ve been hurt and yes, there are many many, countless sins of Catholics, myself included, but there are so many beautiful, devout and holy Catholics too. We are all in this together. Christ’s Blessing to you and yours.
Lynda
Lynda

By: Matthew Warner

Matthew Warner — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:11:03 +0000

Thanks for the news, Kevin. But I can assure you 100% that nothing the Catholic Church teaches is contrary to the Bible. Any perceived contradiction is due to a misinterpretation of one or the other.

I do thank you for your thoughts! You’re welcome back any time. God bless you too.

By: Kevin N.

Kevin N. — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:21:53 +0000

Either you believe the written word or you’ll believe what MEN (Tradition) tell you about the written word. Catholics will tell you, “I believe the Bible is 100% true and I believe that Catholic Tradition is 100% true.” I’ve got news for you, two contradictory documents cannot both be 100% true. It is logically impossible.

God will not accept your worship based on a lie.

This will be my last post hopefully because I know I will never get my point
across here, but you’ve been gracious and I thank you.
God Bless!

By: Matthew Warner

Matthew Warner — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:13:33 +0000

Kevin, here is a review I did on a great book that actually looked at the Early Christian Church – if you’re interested. http://www.fallibleblogma.com/index.php/2009/01/09/the-fathers-by-pope-benedict-xvi/

Also everyone – let’s try to keep comments to the given space and refrain from too many multiple comments in a row. The reason we have a character limit is to force people to keep answers to the point and concise and then let others respond. It makes for a much better discussion that way and is more practical for blog comment discussions.

Thanks and God bless! Thank you all for your thoughts. Please keep it up!

By: Matthew Warner

Matthew Warner — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:09:05 +0000

Kevin – Why is it that serving donuts is ok IF it helps somebody find Christ, but learning from a saint, or using beads, or looking at a picture/statue NOT ok when it does the same thing – helps us to Christ? You have an obvious huge double standard.

Also, i can’t begin to go into it here, but you obviously aren’t actually educated about what Catholics teach and practice. Many of the things you reference make this very apparent. I invite you to actually learn what the Catholic Church is really about one day if you get the chance.

Finally, your comments are riddled with your own fallible, misinterpretations or your own traditions (which according to you Jesus hates).

For instance, you adhere to the man made tradition of salvation by “faith alone”. Nowhere is that in scripture or to be found in the teachings of the early church.

You also adhere to the man-made tradition of “sola scriptura”. This also is not found in the Bible and was most definitely not practiced by the early Christians (as they had no bible).

And then you say things like “Faith alone, consistent with the Scriptures, was the means by which the believers entered into salvation”. Find me one place in scripture or even ANY writing by an early Christian leader that taught this. You can’t. Yet you claim to be speaking for this early Church.

If you actually read what the early Church did and looked like, you will find it looks much more like the Catholic Church than your current denomination.

By: Kevin N.

Kevin N. — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:16:00 +0000

I did not intend to write so much but I had hope I could explain tenderly in such a way why I believe now the way I believe and it is my hope no one got offended in some of lousy remarks I made. Please forgive me for those, I’m only human. It is my hope that all people who want to come to Christ will seek him because he is so deserving of our following and we all put away our childish ways and love one another, pray for one another, that ALL will come together someday and rejoice in his victory over evil and death. Long live Jesus Christ, long live his people who continuing to serve him and serve others.

If we ALL learn to serve others and not of ourselves, like what Jesus said after he washed the disciples feet, Now that I your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. I tell you the truth, so servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.

Let’s serve and not take away what is right for others in seeking him.

Kevin

By: Kevin N.

Kevin N. — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:15:28 +0000

We have identified the true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ by two marks—they hold to the sole authority of Scriptures and to the true Gospel. We have briefly documented the true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ as it existed in various countries before the Reformation of the sixteenth century. Down through the centuries, these believers were scattered from Jerusalem to the Piedmont valley of Italy, to France, Spain, Scotland, Ireland, England, and throughout all of Europe. We have documented various peoples honoring the true faith, and bearing the Scriptural truth.

By: Kevin N.

Kevin N. — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:15:06 +0000

We are his church, are bodies is his temple, his presence is not in a temple or building made of Man but in us. When Christ died for us he died once and for all on the cross. (Never to worship in a manner to keep repeating his death) The temple curtain that separated Man from God is now removed. We now have direct SPIRITUAL contact to God without any mediator to go thru. For he alone knows of our sins, and we can rejoice in him to remove them when we are in Christ.

The unifying factor that designated early local churches was the Gospel. These local churches believed and taught the Gospel of God’s grace. That Gospel was for them “the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth.” Faith alone, consistent with the Scriptures, was the means by which the believers entered into the salvation purchased by the perfect life and sacrifice of Christ Jesus.

By: Kevin N.

Kevin N. — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:14:35 +0000

Jesus said: Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and Truth; (DIRECT CONTACT) for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

No more worshiping in temples or buildings of stature made of Man that claim if you do not practice or is not apart of our holy church and receive this type of worship (MASS), then you’re not part of The Christ Church and cannot participate in the communion with us. (meaning we’re outsiders of Christ) Sounds very familiar to the old Pharisees view don’t you think. No more sacrificing lambs or confessing to the priest for the atonement of their sins, No more authority ruling over one another or other churches. No keeping with traditions of old for the sake from changing to the new way of worshiping God.

By: Kevin N.

Kevin N. — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:14:20 +0000

Man is man and he is going to challenge us and continue to make dreadful mistakes all thru the ages just like they did after the last Apostle died and later after a few centuries the first church when it had it’s problems of old Jewish ways creeping back into the church which caused others to break away long before the name Catholic was introduced.

When I talk of worshiping in the Spirit and Truth I’m simply quoting Jesus when he met the Samaritan woman at the well. There are profound messages in that parable that I hope you’ll have an open mind to.

Old ways of how the Pharisees were practicing of the Law and how they went about preserving it. (Adding to the Law that hindered their own people from salvation). And old ways of how the Samaritans were worshiping on their mountain in their own temple that they built for their own because they were denied or look down at when entering Jerusalem’ temple to worship.