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		<title>By: Eva Ulian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Ulian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have articulated that quite well for us Matthew- which reminds me, how can anyone love Jesus if they don&#039;t love and venerate His Mother? It&#039;s like slapping  God in the face who chose her to be His Mother.  And how someone can translate that love and veneration into idol worship is just beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have articulated that quite well for us Matthew- which reminds me, how can anyone love Jesus if they don&#8217;t love and venerate His Mother? It&#8217;s like slapping  God in the face who chose her to be His Mother.  And how someone can translate that love and veneration into idol worship is just beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Warner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MikeyAnn - that website demonstrates a very shallow understanding of both the Bible, Christian teaching and Mary. These are all issues that have been addressed and taken into consideration as the Church&#039;s understanding of Mary and God in general have deepened. I recommend reading some sources that reflect and consider that depth. It also builds its arguments on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/why-do-catholics-believe-in-things-not-in-the-bible/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;false premise of sola scriptura&lt;/a&gt;, which, of course, is not found in the bible at all and was never practiced by the first Christians (or any Christians until 1500 years after Christ started His Church). So that, as a result, is going to lead to a more limited and often wrong interpretation of scripture.

Catholic teaching on Mary is 100% something that leads us deeper into our relationship with Christ. That&#039;s the point. Mary has, from her very first YES to God, pointed the way to Jesus and been a human model for us.

Many of the misunderstandings about Mary assume too much from too little. They presume that if we look to Mary or the Saints or to each other for help, that we are somehow implying that Jesus alone is not enough. That&#039;s simply false logic. And it&#039;s precisely backwards. It is because Jesus is the source of all grace and love and that he has chosen to work through humans that we look to each other to soak up as much as we can. 

Jesus asks us to look to each other. We are called to help one another, pray for one another (i.e. mediate for each other). This doesn&#039;t take away the fact that ultimately Jesus is the One mediator. But he chooses to mediate through us, essentially making us co-mediators in as much as we cooperate with Him. He did that in an extremely special way through Mary (as she is how God, the creator of all things, chose to come into the world).

Jesus says that whatever we do for each other, we do for Him. And this teaching becomes much more profound once we realize that we (all of us sinners) are HIS body, the Church.  We receive the love of God and His grace through one another all the time. This is life. That doesn&#039;t mean we are cutting Jesus out of a job or implying he couldn&#039;t do it all on His own if He wanted to. That&#039;s just how He chose to do it. Jesus is the source of it all!  But it flows through us all in this mysterious Body. He CHOSE to use us. He CHOSE to use Mary to give Him his humanity. To give us Himself. Catholics simply acknowledge this and the implications along with it.

It really is beautiful. And the people I know with the most profound and beautiful and inspiring relationships with Christ also have profound relationships with Mary and honor her as His mother (as we&#039;re called to to). That&#039;s the honest truth. The fruits speak for themselves.

If you would like to ignore Mary, the Saints and others and their role in your salvific journey, you&#039;re just missing out. But stop with the ignorant accusations of idol worship and Mary worship. God love ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MikeyAnn &#8211; that website demonstrates a very shallow understanding of both the Bible, Christian teaching and Mary. These are all issues that have been addressed and taken into consideration as the Church&#8217;s understanding of Mary and God in general have deepened. I recommend reading some sources that reflect and consider that depth. It also builds its arguments on the <a href="http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/why-do-catholics-believe-in-things-not-in-the-bible/" rel="nofollow">false premise of sola scriptura</a>, which, of course, is not found in the bible at all and was never practiced by the first Christians (or any Christians until 1500 years after Christ started His Church). So that, as a result, is going to lead to a more limited and often wrong interpretation of scripture.</p>
<p>Catholic teaching on Mary is 100% something that leads us deeper into our relationship with Christ. That&#8217;s the point. Mary has, from her very first YES to God, pointed the way to Jesus and been a human model for us.</p>
<p>Many of the misunderstandings about Mary assume too much from too little. They presume that if we look to Mary or the Saints or to each other for help, that we are somehow implying that Jesus alone is not enough. That&#8217;s simply false logic. And it&#8217;s precisely backwards. It is because Jesus is the source of all grace and love and that he has chosen to work through humans that we look to each other to soak up as much as we can. </p>
<p>Jesus asks us to look to each other. We are called to help one another, pray for one another (i.e. mediate for each other). This doesn&#8217;t take away the fact that ultimately Jesus is the One mediator. But he chooses to mediate through us, essentially making us co-mediators in as much as we cooperate with Him. He did that in an extremely special way through Mary (as she is how God, the creator of all things, chose to come into the world).</p>
<p>Jesus says that whatever we do for each other, we do for Him. And this teaching becomes much more profound once we realize that we (all of us sinners) are HIS body, the Church.  We receive the love of God and His grace through one another all the time. This is life. That doesn&#8217;t mean we are cutting Jesus out of a job or implying he couldn&#8217;t do it all on His own if He wanted to. That&#8217;s just how He chose to do it. Jesus is the source of it all!  But it flows through us all in this mysterious Body. He CHOSE to use us. He CHOSE to use Mary to give Him his humanity. To give us Himself. Catholics simply acknowledge this and the implications along with it.</p>
<p>It really is beautiful. And the people I know with the most profound and beautiful and inspiring relationships with Christ also have profound relationships with Mary and honor her as His mother (as we&#8217;re called to to). That&#8217;s the honest truth. The fruits speak for themselves.</p>
<p>If you would like to ignore Mary, the Saints and others and their role in your salvific journey, you&#8217;re just missing out. But stop with the ignorant accusations of idol worship and Mary worship. God love ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/do-catholics-worship-mary/comment-page-1/#comment-58161</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, thank you so much enlightened one  -  We&#039;ve never heard any of this before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, thank you so much enlightened one  &#8211;  We&#8217;ve never heard any of this before.</p>
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		<title>By: Chivas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To sum it up together with the answer to all controversial questions to the catholic church.

1. Exodus 20:4-5
“Thou shalt not MAKE unto thee ANY graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not BOW DOWN thyself to them Nor SERVE them.”

Do Catholics MAKE graven images? Yes.
Do Catholics KNEEL down to statues of Mary or Jesus? Yes.
Do Catholics SERVE Mary? Yes, as in “Legion of Mary.”
Do Catholics BOW DOWN and kiss the foot of the pagan god Jupiter which was renamed St Peter? Yes.

2. Leviticus 26:1
“You shall make you NO IDOLS nor GRAVEN IMAGE. Neither rear you up a STANDING IMAGE. Neither shall ye set up any IMAGE OF STONE in your land to bow down unto it.”

Do Catholics rear up STANDING IMAGES? Yes.
Do Catholics set up any IMAGE OF STONE? Yes.

3. Deuteronomy 4:16
“Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and MAKE you a GRAVEN IMAGE, the similitude of ANY FIGURE, the likeness of MALE or FEMALE.”

Do Catholics make graven images of MALE or FEMALE? Yes. Mary is a female. Jesus and the apostles are males.

4. Deuteronomy 16:22
“Neither shalt thou SET thee UP ANY IMAGE: which the Lord thy God HATES.”

Do Catholics SET UP ANY IMAGES? Yes.
Does God HATE IMAGES? Yes.

5. 1 Thessalonians 1:9
“How ye turned to God FROM IDOLS to serve the living and true God.”

Did the early Christians turn FROM IDOLS? Yes.

6. Deuteronomy 27:15
“CURSED be the man that MAKES ANY GRAVEN or MOLTEN IMAGE, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place.”

Does God put a curse on any person that makes any image? Yes.
Why does God call an image an ABOMINATION? Because He hates it.

7. The early Christians had NO IMAGES
Early Christian writers such as Irenaeus, Clement, Cyprian, Athanasius and Jerome wrote strongly AGAINST images, statues and any manner of prayer or veneration regarding them. The Council of Constantinople in 381 A.D. voted unanimously to remove all images from the Churches.

8. The Catholic Church removes the second Commandment against MAKING graven images from the list of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20:1-17. This presents them with the problem of only having 9 Commandments. They resolve this problem by splitting Commandment number 10 into 9 and 10. That is: 9. You shall not covet your neighbour&#039;s wife. 10. You shall not covet your neighbour&#039;s goods. The following is seen in the book “A brief summary of the Ten Commandments” by the Daughters of St. Paul, p.12, 13:

WHAT ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To sum it up together with the answer to all controversial questions to the catholic church.</p>
<p>1. Exodus 20:4-5<br />
“Thou shalt not MAKE unto thee ANY graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not BOW DOWN thyself to them Nor SERVE them.”</p>
<p>Do Catholics MAKE graven images? Yes.<br />
Do Catholics KNEEL down to statues of Mary or Jesus? Yes.<br />
Do Catholics SERVE Mary? Yes, as in “Legion of Mary.”<br />
Do Catholics BOW DOWN and kiss the foot of the pagan god Jupiter which was renamed St Peter? Yes.</p>
<p>2. Leviticus 26:1<br />
“You shall make you NO IDOLS nor GRAVEN IMAGE. Neither rear you up a STANDING IMAGE. Neither shall ye set up any IMAGE OF STONE in your land to bow down unto it.”</p>
<p>Do Catholics rear up STANDING IMAGES? Yes.<br />
Do Catholics set up any IMAGE OF STONE? Yes.</p>
<p>3. Deuteronomy 4:16<br />
“Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and MAKE you a GRAVEN IMAGE, the similitude of ANY FIGURE, the likeness of MALE or FEMALE.”</p>
<p>Do Catholics make graven images of MALE or FEMALE? Yes. Mary is a female. Jesus and the apostles are males.</p>
<p>4. Deuteronomy 16:22<br />
“Neither shalt thou SET thee UP ANY IMAGE: which the Lord thy God HATES.”</p>
<p>Do Catholics SET UP ANY IMAGES? Yes.<br />
Does God HATE IMAGES? Yes.</p>
<p>5. 1 Thessalonians 1:9<br />
“How ye turned to God FROM IDOLS to serve the living and true God.”</p>
<p>Did the early Christians turn FROM IDOLS? Yes.</p>
<p>6. Deuteronomy 27:15<br />
“CURSED be the man that MAKES ANY GRAVEN or MOLTEN IMAGE, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place.”</p>
<p>Does God put a curse on any person that makes any image? Yes.<br />
Why does God call an image an ABOMINATION? Because He hates it.</p>
<p>7. The early Christians had NO IMAGES<br />
Early Christian writers such as Irenaeus, Clement, Cyprian, Athanasius and Jerome wrote strongly AGAINST images, statues and any manner of prayer or veneration regarding them. The Council of Constantinople in 381 A.D. voted unanimously to remove all images from the Churches.</p>
<p>8. The Catholic Church removes the second Commandment against MAKING graven images from the list of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20:1-17. This presents them with the problem of only having 9 Commandments. They resolve this problem by splitting Commandment number 10 into 9 and 10. That is: 9. You shall not covet your neighbour&#8217;s wife. 10. You shall not covet your neighbour&#8217;s goods. The following is seen in the book “A brief summary of the Ten Commandments” by the Daughters of St. Paul, p.12, 13:</p>
<p>WHAT ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD?</p>
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		<title>By: Chivas</title>
		<link>http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/do-catholics-worship-mary/comment-page-1/#comment-58000</link>
		<dc:creator>Chivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother/Sister MikeyAnn whatever may it be. That&#039;s exactly as it is, Mary can&#039;t be a mediator to Christ. We only need one mediator only the Lord Jesus can assist in negotiations and conflict resolution with our sins to God. To the people out there please take note of this logic. You don&#039;t need another mediator for a mediator....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother/Sister MikeyAnn whatever may it be. That&#8217;s exactly as it is, Mary can&#8217;t be a mediator to Christ. We only need one mediator only the Lord Jesus can assist in negotiations and conflict resolution with our sins to God. To the people out there please take note of this logic. You don&#8217;t need another mediator for a mediator&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chivas</title>
		<link>http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/do-catholics-worship-mary/comment-page-1/#comment-57996</link>
		<dc:creator>Chivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed there&#039;s no point on answering my questions..You need to act it for yourself. Its for you to work on to be free from the evil of man made doctrines. Even your leader (The pope) deceives people by convincing people to do good works without faith in the bible. Note that teaching is very dangerous because we&#039;re talking about the salvation of souls here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed there&#8217;s no point on answering my questions..You need to act it for yourself. Its for you to work on to be free from the evil of man made doctrines. Even your leader (The pope) deceives people by convincing people to do good works without faith in the bible. Note that teaching is very dangerous because we&#8217;re talking about the salvation of souls here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeyAnn</title>
		<link>http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/do-catholics-worship-mary/comment-page-1/#comment-57993</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeyAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bible nowhere indicates that Mary can hear our prayers or that she can mediate for us with God. Jesus is our only advocate and mediator in heaven (1 Timothy 2:5). If offered worship, adoration, or prayers, Mary would say the same as the angels: “Worship God!” (see Revelation 19:10; 22:9.) Mary herself sets the example for us, directing her worship, adoration, and praise to God alone: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for He has been mindful of the humble state of His servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me — holy is His name” (Luke 1:46-49).

Got Questions?
http://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-Mary.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bible nowhere indicates that Mary can hear our prayers or that she can mediate for us with God. Jesus is our only advocate and mediator in heaven (1 Timothy 2:5). If offered worship, adoration, or prayers, Mary would say the same as the angels: “Worship God!” (see Revelation 19:10; 22:9.) Mary herself sets the example for us, directing her worship, adoration, and praise to God alone: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for He has been mindful of the humble state of His servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me — holy is His name” (Luke 1:46-49).</p>
<p>Got Questions?<br />
<a href="http://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-Mary.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-Mary.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chivas</title>
		<link>http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/do-catholics-worship-mary/comment-page-1/#comment-57990</link>
		<dc:creator>Chivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry I&#039;ll tell you the truth. Jesus said in mark 3:35 &quot;Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.” You can read that in your catholic bible. For Mary is just the physical entrance of Jesus to the world she is not sinless only the Lord is free of sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry I&#8217;ll tell you the truth. Jesus said in mark 3:35 &#8220;Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.” You can read that in your catholic bible. For Mary is just the physical entrance of Jesus to the world she is not sinless only the Lord is free of sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Chivas</title>
		<link>http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/do-catholics-worship-mary/comment-page-1/#comment-57989</link>
		<dc:creator>Chivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion?? Not necessarily because the right religion is well defined already. God wrote the truth in His words and instead of making bias judgments about me if you don&#039;t have anything to say about my statements then its better for you not to say a word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion?? Not necessarily because the right religion is well defined already. God wrote the truth in His words and instead of making bias judgments about me if you don&#8217;t have anything to say about my statements then its better for you not to say a word.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Ulian</title>
		<link>http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/do-catholics-worship-mary/comment-page-1/#comment-57847</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva Ulian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I cannot answer you for if you believe you need no answer- if you don&#039;t believe no answer will ever satisfy you... so what&#039;s the point of answering you???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I cannot answer you for if you believe you need no answer- if you don&#8217;t believe no answer will ever satisfy you&#8230; so what&#8217;s the point of answering you???</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiva, the Church, founded by Jesus, is the mother of the Bible - 

You may find, if you will listen to His voice, He will lead you to the pillar and foundation of the truth - the Church of the living God. ~1Timothy 3:15

That they may be One, Father ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiva, the Church, founded by Jesus, is the mother of the Bible &#8211; </p>
<p>You may find, if you will listen to His voice, He will lead you to the pillar and foundation of the truth &#8211; the Church of the living God. ~1Timothy 3:15</p>
<p>That they may be One, Father &#8230;.</p>
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