Dems still can’t choose: Abortion or Health Care


It’s sad that this is still an issue (even though it was very predictably so).  Politicians drive me nuts.  There are so many things they could do to pass aspects of this health care reform that everyone agrees on, but it is increasingly obvious that they care more about their own underlying agenda than they do about actually improving health care.

Democrats control congress.  They could pass whatever kind of health care reform they want….that is, if they are willing to give up on pushing for tax payer funded abortions.  But they just can’t do it.  They just so desperately want you to pay for other people to end human life in the womb.

Drawing opposition from pro-abortion politicians and activists, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) is leading a coalition of about 40 pro-life Democrats who are petitioning for an opportunity to vote Hyde Amendment-like abortion funding restrictions into the proposed health care reform legislation.Rep. Stupak is negotiating with Congressional leaders to resolve the dispute. He has threatened to block action on the larger health care reform bill unless he is allowed to offer a stand-alone amendment during floor debate to include the Hyde Amendment, the Associated Press reports.

The amendment would bar federal funding for abortion except in cases of rape and incest or if the mother’s life would be endangered. The amendment applies to Medicaid funding, requiring that states which cover abortion for low-income women can only use state taxpayer money, and not federal funds.

In its current form, the health care reform bill would create a new stream of federal funds outside the restrictions of the Hyde Amendment.

Rep. Stupak has criticized current language that purports to segregate federal funds and funds used in abortions.

“Once you get the affordability credits (subsidies) in there, that’s public funding of abortion. We’re not going there,” Stupak told the Associated Press. “How do you get past the affordability credits is really the issue. And we can’t.”

Speaking to on Thursday, Stupak said that his group of “about 40 likeminded Democrats” will vote to kill the health-care bill if House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) does not allow a floor vote on his amendment. [Full story]

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Mike October 30, 2009 at 10:16 am

The Democrats have opposed every good idea for health care reform that the Republicans have suggested (tort reform, etc.). The best thing that could happen is that health care reform fails. We would be better off as a country without the Democrats’ costly and ineffective plan.

Drew October 30, 2009 at 10:45 am

I agree. A reform of health care in this country will be impossible – not difficult, Impossible – without tort reform.

Aaron October 30, 2009 at 1:00 pm

Yep. I predicted months ago that the Democrats (in control, not counting this minority) will let health care go down in flames completely rather than remove abortion from it. They aren’t even willing to make it officially abortion-neutral and sneak it in with later legislation and judicial activism, though that would be much easier. Abortion is their sacrament, and they cannot act against it, even by omission.

The Expatriate October 30, 2009 at 4:19 pm

Perhaps the reason Democrats think that abortion should be included in the health care bill is that abortion IS a form of health care. They might also have this strange idea that religion should not be involved in determining our nation’s health care policy.

As for tort reform, I have a really good idea in that regard. We should just get rid of lawsuits, and make it much easier for prosecutors to press charges against doctors who seriously injure or kill someone in the course of their work. Once a few doctors end up on the bottom end of the prison pecking order, I suspect their colleagues would learn to be much more careful.

Mike October 30, 2009 at 7:52 pm

Dear “Ex”,

1. In the “usual” case of abortion, whose health is being cared for? The mother’s health is not in danger by forgoing an abortion, and certainly her baby’s health is not being cared for. Pregnancy is not an illness, and abortion is not a “cure”.

2. Even if I agreed with you that a woman had a right to an abortion, it is still an entirely elective procedure. Should a face lift become a vital part of our health plan that must be covered at all costs? Certainly everyone has the right to choose to get a face lift. Yet nobody is arguing that I must pay for it with my tax dollars.

3. Religion is vital in determining all our nations decisions (our entire legal code is based on religious principles). But you don’t even have to resort to religion to oppose abortion – it is a human rights issue. Does someone have the right to end a human life except in self defense?

Dean Soto November 2, 2009 at 2:53 am

There are a number of atheists that are against abortion in the US. Abortion isn’t necessarily a religious matter, but a philosophical one. You do not need to be religious in order to come to reach the conclusion that abortion is wrong and detrimental to society. You can check out some at

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